Mozilla: EU's Win 7 Browser Ballot is Favoritism

This is quite simple...

Those who care about the browser they use will download the one they favor!!

Those that don't, will use the one installed on the Os they use, Windows means IE in this case....

So is it not really up to the developers of the alternative browsers to market their browsers more effectively and give people who do not know there is a choice or do not see the point in changing, the reason to try their browser...

I am getting tired of all this Hoo Haa over Microsoft's IE being default installed, Mozilla throwing its bit in every now and then and the EU getting its But Ugly Bureaucracy involved....

And for note, I'll stick to Opera as my default Browser until it becomes too popular!!!

This really gets on my nerves actually.

At the risk of being seen to side with Microsoft, I really feel sorry for them on this one. Why on Earth should they be forced into promoting their own competition within their operating system? I just don't get it.

So, when will Apple be forced to offer alternatives to Safari on new Macs? I'm willing to bet never, because Apple are somehow better than Microsoft it seems. It's unreasonable and blatent bully tactics by the EU, as was the whole Media Player debarcle.

Would a car manufacturer build cars only to be told that they MUST import some parts from other manufacturers rather than use their own, to give the competition a chance? Utter stupidity.

(And I use Firefox, btw).

I do hate IE more than anyone, it's so crap I'd rather gouge my eye out with a rusty spoon and then rub salt in the wound than use it. But other than in extreme circumstances (which this is not) I think that one should be able to ship whatever browser they like with their OS (assuming they have the rights to distibute that particular browser).

1)Why windows has to give a choice on installation when the other systems don't?
2)The freedom was given already since you can install the browser you want and use it as default.
3)IE is an extra feature. It doesn't cost money and not even a way of advertisement.

Those who dont already install a diffrent web-browser will install and use IE anyway.
Those who do install Firefox/Opera/Safari/Chrome whatever will continue to do so, and just be annoyed at Windows even more.
And how is this going to work with browsers that use IE engine, like STEAM and Xfire?
bet they wont run on firefox if you choose to install that.

I hate IE with passion and tend to have a very low opinion of those that use it, I do agree a Ballot screen is probably the best option but if not chosen to be the default then it should be NUKED all together...

OMG!! grow up! they make the Operating System. Let the put whatever the hell they want in it! it's not like IE is removing Mozilla. Stop winging and make something that people will definatly choose because it is better, rather than because the "EU" said so

This is getting old, but...

There's an issue with an organisation (MS) causing a monolopoly on a new technology that they don't own by ripping off someone else and using anti-competetive tactics to drive the original out of business that no amount of money is going to fix. So this is what they have come up with. Shit, haven't you guys watched the Matrix? Absolute power corrupts absolutley. This is no exception. The EU is looking to 'check' the situation. There's nothing strange here, except it's getting boring hearing about it.

Maybe this should be left in the courts until they reach a decision before it's reported on. It's just a display of how slow the legal systems of the modern world are. I'm sure everyone who like suckling on the MS teat will be happier when it's resolved. Tell me how the blue pill tastes while you are at it?

I cant believe some people still dont get this!

MS have been found guilty, of abusing its monopoly in the OS market to push IE and therefore gain a monopoly in the browser market. Are people seriously saying that if they could drag it out long enough they should get away with it? Thats what it seems like, either that or some people who comment on the matter are either too young to remember what the case was originally about or cant be bothered to find out/are blinkered/MS fanboys.

To abuse your monopoly position you first have to be a monopoly, so once again, no the car analogy just does not work.
Same with apple, they cannot abuse a monopoly position THEY DO NOT HAVE. Hence they cant be found guilty of it.

I'm beginning to get tired of this - the way I see it, micorsoft sell a suite of applications with their operating system as a package. By logical conclusion, wordpad, calculator, paint should all be removed as well, where do you stop? Is the clock in the system tray preventing people from marketing thir own time application, does the GUI shell prevent people from marketing their own GUI's for windows kernel???

If I was microsoft I would sell internet explorer as a product in its own right with free OS and application suite including paint, mail calulator, character map etc and see where that gets them - apple cant complain since you cant use osx on non apple hardware.

What next? Will Microsoft have to include an option so you can remove the Windows logo on the start menu and replace it will an Apple one?

Or maybe include other OS on the disc. When you try to install, it advises you that you could install Linux / OSX / etc?

Each time you boot up the computer it could inform you that you could have bought a Mac instead??

Seriously, it's a f'in browser. If you're not educated enough to be able to download a new one, you probably don't know the difference between them to choose anyway!

[quote=devilxc]Seriously, it's a f'in browser. If you're not educated enough to be able to download a new one, you probably don't know the difference between them to choose anyway!/quote]
I think you'll find that was one of the original points. By including it they had an unfair advantage partly because people would bother to install an alternative. They only did it in the first place to kill off netscape, you think thats ok? MS has a monopoly in the OS market and they cannot use that monopoly to gain a monopoly in another market. They did and were found guilty in both the EU AND the US.
How about they include a photoshop alike to kill off photoshop, would that be acceptable? I think not. How about a proper cd writing app so you dont need nero etc anymore. Build the office suite in while they are at it.
The OS is just that, an OS. It didnt need to include a web browser at the time the case started, and pretty much doesnt need one now, much less the pos that is IE.
IE only sites? So much for standards...