Radeon HD 3850 and 3870
The difference between the two Radeon HD 3800s, even though they’re based on the same chip, is important and, first and foremost, physical. If the Radeon HD 3850 manages to keep a single-slot design, however long but very close to the reference design of the HD 2600 XT, the HD 3870 can’t seem to escape a cooling system occupying two slots. It’s more of a good thing since this card will therefore serve as a casing fan and will relieve the internal ventilation, contrary to the HD 3850. As a matter of fact, the cooling system used on the HD 3870 reference design furiously reminds us of the Radeon 1950 XTX and designed by Artic Cooling. Indeed, its 3” (7.5 cm) radial fan with straight fins is identical. Practically, it’s a little disappointing because the X1950 XTX had a noise level significantly higher than the GeForce 8800 GTX; even if we must put it back in context, a card succeeding an exasperating X1900 XTX and managing to significantly reduce noise level.
The heat sink’s fins are however significantly shorter, despite the fact that their density is higher, which translates into a stronger resistance and therefore more important losses. We’ll see later on what the noise level is. In any case, both cards demand, nevertheless, a PCI Express 6 pin power connector, as the GeForce 8800 GT.
Memory-wise, the HD 3850 is accompanied by 256 MB of GDDR3 clocked at 833 MHz, but a 512 MB version, more expensive, could come up. Inversely, the HD 3870 should be limited to a version with 512 MB, the memory being clearly faster than the HD 3850 and the 8800 GT since it’s clocked at 1125 MHz, despite using GDDR4 chips having a certified clock of 1.2 GHz. A clock we’ve actually been able to obtain and even surpass, as we’ll see later on.
Let it be noted finally that the reviewed HD 3870 is a model sold by Sapphire. Apart from the sticker on the cooling system, we find Power DVD 7 (5.1) as well as Cyberlink DVD Suite, 3DMark06, Valve’s Back Box, a Molex to PCI Express 6 pin adapter, an HDTV cable, the famous DVI to HDMI adapter a DVI to VGA adapter, a Crossfire cable and a Sapphire sticker in the box. A bundle quite complete which only lacks a cup of coffee.
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Personally I'd be happy with that as it means my £400+ investment will last me a good number of years.
If you're disappointed that there's games you can't play I have a 6800 Ultra I'll happily swap for your 8800 GTX
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I have an 8800GTX SLI system and I struggle with Crysis on medium settings @2560x1600.
I'm waiting for something faster... whether it is from ATI or nVidia.
ATI continue to disappoint.
On a more important note: where are the Crossfire and SLI scores? The great thing about these new cards (both the 8800GT and the 3850/3870) are the fact that you're getting what, just months ago, was enthusiast-level performance for mainstream-level pricing. This makes SLI and Crossfire immensely much more affordable than they have ever usefully been before.
Previously it was always the case that you got better price/performance from a single high-end card than you got from two mid-range ones. Now, for the first time, that may no longer be true: 3850s in Crossfire might even outperform 8800GTX some of the time, and they're actually *cheaper* than single GTX.
So, come on: where are the benchmarks?
Finally, your noise level measurements are obviously flawed: you've got a 43dB noise floor, resulting from components other than the graphics card, or possibly from stuff going on outside the case. So it doesn't matter how quiet the GPU fan goes, you'll always read ~43dB. The cooler on the 3850 is rated at just 31dB, which is *miles* below the noise level you get from an 8800GT. Your figures are misleading.
At least I want to know if it's as good as the 1900 at crunshing lifesaving data!
With AMD/ATI going down the toilet Nvidia is not getting enough pressure to move on the next generation (1Gb+ cards with enough horsepower to handle HD gaming). Rebranding 2xxx cards as 3xxx is pretty desperate!! That is the bottom line... Even with VERY deep pockets you will still struggle to get high quality textures running @1920x1200 (native 1080p the true resolution of BD and HDDVD disks).
I have a feeling that AMD/ATI may not be around much longer. If a company isn't diversified (like Sun) then a failure in your core business means you are pretty screwed. If ATI didn't have products like the X1950Pro they would be in real trouble already...
nicolasb -> Previous comment about Crossfire. THG said the driver was unstable for the new 3xxx cards in the introduction. Perhaps you have problems reading??
Ah well, have to wait till 2009 for that monitor upgrade!!
Bob
I look forward to seeing what kind of scaling these will produce, because that does seem to be their main selling point. As the previous guy said, you can get 2 of these cards for less than a GTX, and potentially equal perfomance, while still leaving room for another 2 cards =)
The HD 2900 XT's scaling results were actually pretty impressive, SLI showing a 50% boost at best, while crossfire showing as good as 90% in some games.