Radeon HD 3000: a new architecture?
Contrary to what their name may imply, let’s right away cut through the marketing smoke screen, which AMD couldn’t resist to pull once more; no, the Radeon HD 3000 does not introduce a new architecture at all, neither is it an important evolution compared to the Radeon HD 2900. Those cards’ name should have started with Radeon HD 2xxx and nothing else (as did the Radeon 1900 in its time, and even they were a bigger evolution), and it’s disappointing to see to what extent the company has a tendency to rely on this kind of method every time it’s in a difficult position, just as it did in other areas at the time of the Radeon HD 2900 presentation. Moving on.
As with the GeForce 8800 GT, the Radeon HD 3800 was only made possible thanks to the improvement in process. And at this game, AMD still has the lead since it goes down from 80 nm to 55 nm, whereas NVIDIA wasn’t able to go beyond 65 nm. It must be said that the Canadians’ job was, it seems, not as difficult at least from a numerical point of view, with 666 million transistors for this new chip versus, if you remember, 754 million on the G92 of the 8800 GT. Thus, contrary to NVIDIA, the number of transistors is decreasing compared to the previous chip, as the R600 totaled 700 million transistors.
Yet, the number of computational units remains unchanged (when it was slightly decreasing with NVIDIA) with 320 stream processors. There are still only 16 texturing units (what a shame not to take the opportunity to correct this limitation!) and 16 ROP. The only enhancements: An optimization of the memory controller, in charge of making a better usage of the bandwidth, the manufacturer goes so far as to claim similar performance to a Radeon HD 2900 at identical frequencies, despite a memory interface limited to 256 bits (the ring bus displaying 512 bits or 2 x 256 bits to be precise). PCI Express 2.0 support is also making its debut, but it should only show a slight gain with cards limited by the quantity of memory (HyperMemory cards or the HD 3850 256 MB), and in high resolution, except, of course, in GPGPU applications. Also on stage, the UVD, yet absent from the HD 2900 XT if you recall, but the GeForce 8800 GT gaining back PureVideo 2, the Canadian didn’t have a choice and it’s all for the best. The support of DirectX 10.1 is also to be considered, even if the Radeon HD 2000 were already quite close to it.
PowerPlay is no longer reserved to notebooks
Here’s a good concept! We had regretted that technologies significantly decreasing power consumption in certain situations were only reserved to components meant for laptops, whether it is for CPUs, GPUs, chipsets and others. AMD steps up by enabling the activation of the PowerPlay of the Radeon Mobility on the HD 3800.
Practically, the mode corresponding to the “maximum battery” setting should make its appearance. This simply reduces GPU and memory frequencies to intermediate values between those in idle and peak. Yet such a mode remains questionable on a Desktop. Another problem, the actual drivers don’t enable any page dedicated to PowerPlay management and our tests under 2D and light 3D didn’t reveal any automatic intermediate mode. Thus, here’s again another failed promise by AMD…
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Personally I'd be happy with that as it means my £400+ investment will last me a good number of years.
If you're disappointed that there's games you can't play I have a 6800 Ultra I'll happily swap for your 8800 GTX
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I have an 8800GTX SLI system and I struggle with Crysis on medium settings @2560x1600.
I'm waiting for something faster... whether it is from ATI or nVidia.
ATI continue to disappoint.
On a more important note: where are the Crossfire and SLI scores? The great thing about these new cards (both the 8800GT and the 3850/3870) are the fact that you're getting what, just months ago, was enthusiast-level performance for mainstream-level pricing. This makes SLI and Crossfire immensely much more affordable than they have ever usefully been before.
Previously it was always the case that you got better price/performance from a single high-end card than you got from two mid-range ones. Now, for the first time, that may no longer be true: 3850s in Crossfire might even outperform 8800GTX some of the time, and they're actually *cheaper* than single GTX.
So, come on: where are the benchmarks?
Finally, your noise level measurements are obviously flawed: you've got a 43dB noise floor, resulting from components other than the graphics card, or possibly from stuff going on outside the case. So it doesn't matter how quiet the GPU fan goes, you'll always read ~43dB. The cooler on the 3850 is rated at just 31dB, which is *miles* below the noise level you get from an 8800GT. Your figures are misleading.
At least I want to know if it's as good as the 1900 at crunshing lifesaving data!
With AMD/ATI going down the toilet Nvidia is not getting enough pressure to move on the next generation (1Gb+ cards with enough horsepower to handle HD gaming). Rebranding 2xxx cards as 3xxx is pretty desperate!! That is the bottom line... Even with VERY deep pockets you will still struggle to get high quality textures running @1920x1200 (native 1080p the true resolution of BD and HDDVD disks).
I have a feeling that AMD/ATI may not be around much longer. If a company isn't diversified (like Sun) then a failure in your core business means you are pretty screwed. If ATI didn't have products like the X1950Pro they would be in real trouble already...
nicolasb -> Previous comment about Crossfire. THG said the driver was unstable for the new 3xxx cards in the introduction. Perhaps you have problems reading??
Ah well, have to wait till 2009 for that monitor upgrade!!
Bob
I look forward to seeing what kind of scaling these will produce, because that does seem to be their main selling point. As the previous guy said, you can get 2 of these cards for less than a GTX, and potentially equal perfomance, while still leaving room for another 2 cards =)
The HD 2900 XT's scaling results were actually pretty impressive, SLI showing a 50% boost at best, while crossfire showing as good as 90% in some games.